Detective + Psychic Medium Team Up and Solve Cases | Kiersten Hathcock + Mark Pucci (Episode 182)
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When a detective and psychic medium team up to solve cases, the results are undeniable.
What happens when a retired NYPD detective partners with an entrepreneur-turned-medium who appeared on Shark Tank? Over a decade of solving cold cases police departments abandoned, finding missing people, and proving deaths weren't what they seemed. Mark Pucci and Kiersten Hathcock share how their unlikely partnership began, the case where Kiersten's 4am warning possibly saved Mark's life, and why evidence-based validation changed everything for both of them.
About This Episode
Mark Pucci is a retired NYPD detective who worked extensively in undercover operations before becoming a private investigator. He's spent 20 years post-retirement continuing investigative work, specializing in cases that have gone cold or been abandoned. Mark is co-founder of the National Institute for Law and Justice, a nonprofit providing professional investigations to families who can't afford the average $30,000 cost.
Kiersten Hathcock is founder of a furniture company, appeared on Shark Tank, and mentors entrepreneurs. At age 36, she had an unexpected mediumship awakening that terrified her scientific mind. Despite having no training as a medium, she began receiving verified information from deceased people. Kiersten is author of Little Voices and co-founder of the National Institute for Law and Justice.
In this conversation, we explore:
Kiersten's Awakening
Building toy boxes in garage at 36, things started moving across workbench
Heard voices yelling "mom" when kids were at school
Scientific brain tried explaining everything away for six months
Started physically seeing and hearing deceased people
First validation: reached out to grieving parents with messages from their son Nate
Got specific details she couldn't have known, all verified
Ranked that harder than appearing on Shark Tank
How They Met
Mark working missing person case, widow asked if he'd talk to medium in Arizona
Mark said "absolutely, 100% yes"
Met at restaurant in New York City, compared notes
Kiersten's channeled information matched Mark's investigation
Details she couldn't have known, nothing publicly available
Mark had done over 100 interviews, victim living secret second life
Both constantly saying "So I'm not crazy"
The 4am Warning
Kiersten woke up terrified Mark was in danger
Called at 4am with warning, described accent and horses
Mark planning to investigate remote area where he believed remains were
Man approached matching Kiersten's description, reached for what appeared to be weapon
Mark showed his gun, man retreated
Found horse boarding sign Kiersten mentioned
Case outcome changed, proved victim was deceased not missing
Deceased vs Living
Kiersten feels deceased on her left side with chills
Living people: chills up her right side
Took many experiences to recognize patterns
Recently: deceased teenager Alice walked into living room
Connected to Richard Cottingham torso killer case
Had never been on investigators' radar but fit MO
Kiersten tends to receive information from sexual abuse survivors
She's childhood sexual abuse survivor, thinks there's energetic pairing
Finding Someone Alive
Woman missing since February 2021
Kiersten said complete reversal: "She's not gone, she's still here"
Changed investigation from recovery to search for missing person
Found her alive, she was hiding
National Institute for Law and Justice
Co-founded 2021 to help families who can't afford $30,000+ investigations
Work on missing and murdered indigenous women and children
Cold homicides misclassified as suicides
Cases police departments have abandoned
Network of former law enforcement maintaining same protocols
Independent DNA testing and evidence collection for prosecution
Key Quotes
"So I'm not crazy. Okay good." - Mark Pucci & Kiersten Hathcock
"There's only one way that she would be telling me something that I physically verified. There's just certain things that it's impossible." - Mark Pucci
"I ranked reaching out to John and Denise much higher than Shark Tank. That was probably one of the hardest things I've ever had to do." - Kiersten Hathcock
About Kiersten Hathcock
About Mark Pucci
Kiersten Hathcock
Author Website: Kierstenhathcock.com
Speaker Website: Kierstenhathcockspeaker.com
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