Psychic Medium Rebecca Anne LoCicero Answers the Hard Questions. Part 1: Episode 9 (IG Live)

Psychic Mediums
Written By Liz Entin

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Psychic Mediums and Skeptics

“I like talking to you. You challenge me.” Psychic Medium Rebecca Anne LoCicero opens the episode by saying she actually enjoys Liz’s endless skeptical questioning.

Yes, Yale University Scientifically Studies Psychic Mediums.

Rebecca talks about her abilities and answers Liz’s skeptical questions and followers questions about her mediumship abilities on this Instagram Live. In case you couldn’t make it live, you can listen on a podcast. Rebecca is hilarious, tells it like it is, says fuck a lot, is smart, and somehow able to defy the laws of the universe by connecting with our deceased loved ones. She is certified as an evidential medium by the Forever Family Foundation and is studied by Yale University and on the board of Yale’s COPE project, which studies mediumship.

The questions Rebecca answers, or at least delves into are first of all the question Liz can never get an answer to, “What substance or molecular structure is our consciousness once we die, if it survives.” Other questions she discusses are, when does consciousness first begin in a fetus and can that be measured. Liz and Rebecca discuss if and how that could be done to measure when consciousness enters a body ad when consciousness exits a body.

Can we change the future once a psychic medium makes a prediction?

Once a psychic makes a prediction, can we change it? Rebecca explains how people have freewill and Liz explains how some scientists have understood psychics predicting the future.

Rebecca describes and explains the difference between a psychic reading and a medium reading. A medium reading is “you, me and spirit.” A psychic reading is just “you and me.”

Highly accurate psychic medium readings that convince skeptics.

Rebecca shares a few examples of really amazing and evidential readings she has given. One time was during a psychic fair when a woman came up to her. Rebecca wasn't even working at the moment, but someone had told this woman she needed to talk to Rebecca. Rebecca felt her desperation and brought her an important message from her dad who had passed as well as information about her health that turned out to be accurate.

Another time Rebecca gave a very accurate reading to a highly skeptical man, who was fairly impressed. When he started to walk away, this man’s father (who had passed away) made Rebecca chase him down and give him a final message which sealed the deal for him that this was genuine. She also got another highly accurate piece of evidence which meant the world to a grieving woman in another reading during a group event.

Liz and Rebecca disagree on the importance of scientific testing of psychic medium readings. Rebecca thinks at the core, they are about love which you can’t really measure. Liz disagrees and thinks that they are about accurate data and evidence of survival of consciousness. Liz’s friend Darren of Seeking i, who is listening on IG Live sums up the importance of testing in a quote that Liz thinks explains it perfectly: "It's a matter of statistical significance if facts match people's readings at a rate statistically significantly against chance. You have an effect in reality suggesting it's beyond imagination."

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Complete Summary:

Skeptics and Psychics

Liz opens this episode, which is a recorded Instagram Live conversation of her conversation with psychic medium Rebecca Anne LoCicero. Rebecca opens by staying she likes talking with Liz, because Liz challenges her.

Psychic mediums are studied and researched by scientists.

Liz officially introduces Rebecca and Rebecca explains she is scientifically verified by the Forever Family Foundation and is part of Yale University’s Cope project, which studies psychic mediums and their abilities. In fact Rebecca is on the board of Yale’s research project.

Liz explains how skeptical she is, and always assumed anything like an afterlife was complete nonsense. After she met Rebecca, who was in a group of the first mediums she met, Liz had to admit something inexplicable was going on. Liz also read all of the scientific research on psychic mediums, such as the quintuple blinded studies being conducted by Dr. Julie Beischel and Mark Boccuzzi at The Windbridge Institute, and the research done by the SPR - Society for Psychical Research.

Where do we go when we die?

Liz then says she still has questions, but no one can answer them, which Rebecca states she takes as a challenge and tells Liz to go ahead. So Lix asks what substance or molecular structure is our consciousness once we die, if it survives.

Rebecca answers as best she can, explaining that we are electrical. But what Liz wants, a measurable atomic structure is not going to be possible. The intricate parts of our consciousness are so minute and tiny that it is not possible to just measure. Scientists have measured people’s electricity what happens around them in terms of substances when they die. They used to do this a lot more in the 1800’s. They would have different instruments around try to catch and measure a soul. And what they experienced was, if we say we have pheromones, or we have a smell, or we have an odor, or moisture or an aura, that's measurable, right? For example, if you're sweating, it's going to be sweat above your skin, as well as on your skin. Because there's a chemical reaction coming up. Rebecca continues that she believes that the atomic structure of your soul, is so minute that it's only measurable within the context of being able to also study our cellular reaction. But once your soul has completely left your cellular body and has removed itself you can't measure it.

Can you measure the energy of a soul when a person dies and it exits the body or when it is born and enters the body?

Liz explains she wishes there were instruments that could measure it, and Rebecca explains to measure it, we would have to separate it from the physical being, from its’ interaction with the bodies cellular structure.

Rebecca explains it would be really hard because we would have to find people who are dying, who are “gonna be hooked up to shit while they are dying.” But she believes it's electricity of some sort. So what we really need is somebody who is a molecular biologist and an electrician. They're gonna have to develop a piece of equipment that's gonna be able to measure energy in motion. And how would you even measure that? I think you would have to measure it with some sort of foil that we have to go through? Because we don't know where it (this consciousness) leads. We want to cover your face. That's where breath goes out breath comes in, in Rebecca’s world that's called breath of life. So when the breath goes out, or maybe you can measure it, before a baby takes the first breath, because that's when it goes in.

When does consciousness enter a fetus?

Liz wonders, but isn’t consciousness already in a fetus before it is born? It must develop at some point. Rebecca says that it is aware, but it’s consciousness does not connect to the cellular structure until birth. Liz then asks how she knows that, and Rebecca admits she doesn't. But she states that she doesn’t “put anything past the absolutely fucking miraculousness of being pregnant.” And Rebecca does know that the consciousness of the soul is aware that conception has happened. They are even aware of conception is going to happen before it happens. It's almost like they're waiting around. Liz agrees that she has read studies about that.

That why Rebecca thinks you could probably measure consciousness around a pregnant woman easier than you could conscious that is just discarnate. There would probably be a similar measurement tool for the pregnant woman and someone who is dying. Again, it's a physical body of the mother that the child is in, where you're going to be connecting. If you tap a belly when 9 months pregnant, they're smart enough, they're tapping back.

So Rebecca then does believe that they are connected to their physical body in some way. But until you take that breath of life, the consciousness that you're talking about measuring exists outside the body. Even though the fetus has a heartbeat and is pumping blood, there's no oxygen other than the mother. So why are you looking to measure when consciousness leaves a body? Why not when it comes into a body?

Liz says she would love to measure that too. So they need to find pregnant women to study. But Liz reminds us we need to be careful, since there are a lot of “stupid fucks” using this type of theories to take away women’s rights over their own fertility. With the crazy and authoritarian laws over women’s bodies we have to be very careful. But Liz affirms now is not the place to talk about politics.

Rebecca agrees that while this talk is not the place for politics, the soul doesn’t have an opinion. Rebecca 100 percent believes every single human being on this planet has the right to choose what to do with their own body. Neither the government nor religion has a right to choose for someone else. “Obviously if somebody wants to get a fucking abortion, they're going to get one. And if they live in Texas, they're going to get on a fucking plane or in a car. But the only reason why they're doing this (the Texas law) is to cause division.” Rebecca continues that she herself is adopted, so she leans towards pro-life (for HERSELF not ti impose on others.) But she would like clips to talk about adoption too as an option, since she herself is an adopted person. “If someone was asking me my opinion, I would say if you don't want to raise a child, there are two ways for you to not raise a child, you can have an abortion or you can give birth and give the child to somebody who can't have a child. There are desperate loving people out there trying every day to have a child.” Rebecca is just tried of division.

Liz explains she just wants people respected whatever choice they make. Liz also disagrees when Rebecca said that if you want an abortion, you will get an abortion no matter the law. It is much harder for people who are struggling financially or maybe young girls whose parents would not approve of their choice. So the law in Texas is actually very dangerous. And Rebecca does remind everyone that she is completely pro-choice no matter what. What you want to do with your body, it’s your body.

Skeptical but respectful when investigating psychic mediums.

Then the two return to discussing consciousness and mediumship. Rebecca says there could be very skeptical people listening to their talk now. Liz shares that when she first met Rebecca she was intensely skeptical, but that there is a good way and a negative way of being skeptical. When they first met, Liz assumed there was zero chance that consciousness survived bodily death. But think there's a way to investigate mediums with respect. There are those who come in with the agenda to expose mediums and laugh at them and then there are those who have had a really bad loss or maybe are sick themselves who think, “wow, there's probably no chance this is true, but I'm going to give it a shot in the dark, and I hope it's true, but I'm not going to lie to myself.” Liz was like the second type of skeptic and while it still doesn’t make sense to her, that consciousness can survive without a brain, she cannot deny the vast body of evidence she has now seen.

Once a psychic predicts the future, can we change it?

Then a question comes in from one of the followers: “When Rebecca does a reading for the future, is the future set in stone or does it change as the person's attitude decisions change?”

Rebecca explains that mediumship is “you, me, and spirit.” She is like the middleman since she can understand spirit language, which is vibration. But this question about the future is psychic, not mediumship. Psychic is “between you and me” not spirit too. And psychic is a vibration of an energy that is in motion. Rebecca then gives an example:

“Let's say Liz, you went out on a date last night and you've been talking to this guy for a couple of weeks and maybe this person seems like a really great partner and then you went out to dinner and and you had this that the other thing for dinner and then afterwards you went and did something else and then today you have a reading with me. And maybe this is like the first date you've had a long time. Psychic would be for me, as far as the future is concerned. I would say ‘you haven't dated in a while, have you?’ And you'll go ‘No.’ Right? Because we want validation. l’ll say, ‘Well, it took you an awful long time to meet this guy.’ But you finally did or this girl, whatever. You say ‘yes.’ And then I'll say, ‘okay, so you had one dinner, and he was just sloppy all over the place, you don't like seafood, he didn't eat his vegetables.' And afterwards, he wanted to take your for a walk down a dark alley.’ And then you go, ‘Oh, my God, all of that is true, but it's where it's apartment was. And he didn't know I didn't like fish. And maybe I should give it a second chance.’ And I'm gonna say that at that point in time, energy is in motion, you haven't dated for a while but you got out. It wasn't exactly perfect, and you weren't sure what to do afterwards, or what his intentions were. So I'm going to tell you, ‘this looks like something where you would want to give it a second chance or maybe a second date, because you sound more confused than not.’ And then if you hear that, I can understand where you are currently, and give it to you. Kind of like confirming for you. Yeah, of course, they can predict what's next. However, you can get on that phone with him. And he could be like, ‘hey, there's a great oyster restaurant down the road. ‘And you could just be like, ‘you know what, fuck it. It’s not worth it.’ So there, you've changed the entire reading. You didn't go out on the second date, you weren't in the mood for the seafood. Because I don't know. Maybe you stubbed your toe right before he called and it set everything off. I have no control of your future. We have freewill. So I can predict where I feel something's gonna go.

Is the future predetermined according to science?

Liz shares that a scientist she loves, Dr. Claude Swanson talks about how psychics can see the future from a scientific perspective. Dr. Claude Swanson explains that as an analogy, you take a hill and have balls rolling down the hill. This of each ball as a human life, and there are certain paths that the balls can follow. There's the clear path, they'll go down, and then there's the path where it can 50/50 go either way. And then there's a path that there's a 5% chance the ball could just turn and go down. And maybe there's other things like the velocity of one of the balls and if there's a wind, maybe two balls bump into each other. And what a psychic can do is see the aerial view and see this is most likely, and this is possible. They can just see the probabilities. As Loyd Auerbach describes it is that people predict the future when they predict the weather, such as meteorologists. They have a bigger view.

Rebecca then disagrees that that’s exactly what it is like for her. She says that the way Liz is explaining it seems like it's “in a box.” But receiving this piece of psychic information off of somebody is not one viewpoint. It's more multi dimensional. It’s more like a multi dimensional pie wheel, the percents than how the balls and the hill described it. To compare it to looking down at the hill would be limited because psychic information comes holistically - the whole picture at once. Rebecca explains that somebody will sit down with her and they'll say that they met somebody. Without them saying a word or me giving any validation Rebecca will instantly feel one way or another. Maybe she will feel like she doesn’t like them. One time a client married someone and it ended in divorce, the whole time Rebecca just had this horrible feeling about the relationship.

Rebecca explains that it can be complicated, because she had lost clients by being honest and not only telling them what they wanted to hear. And what can she do. Do her clients want her to tell them what she sees or do they want her to lie to them. She gives an example of someone too who was describing this perfect relationship, but Rebecca just knew it was not going to work.

Rebecca says it must be hard being friends with her, and Liz disagrees. But then Rebecca says but what if she had to tell her something she didn’t like. That can be why psychic mediums don’t like to read friends or family. Liz explains she would rather just hear the truth. She wouldn't be mad and would still make her own decisions. Liz wonders also if maybe that wrong feeling isn’t always just because something could be wrong. Maybe Rebecca feels someone is wrong and it really is the love of that person’s life, but maybe it felt wrong because that person her friend or client loved was going to pass away young, even though during the time it was a wonderful relationship.

Predicting a health issue and connecting to someone’s dad who passed away.

Rebecca was recently at a psychic event and there were tarot readers, authors and a people who were selling knickknacks. It was Halloween themed, supernatural themed event and there were also a lot of Ghost Hunters and people interested in the paranormal there. A woman walks up to Rebecca and she says, ‘I was told to ask you for a reading.’ This woman was standing with her daughter. Rebecca explains she’s not reading at this fair. But the woman gives the name of who suggested she talk to Rebecca, and she looks at this lady and notices she looks distraught. Rebecca felt a gut wrenching feeling when this woman then said she will just go to someone else and Rebecca felt she had to help her even though she was exhausted and not reading. Rebecca looks at her and said “Okay, so your dad just died a couple of months ago.” And she said, “Yes.” Rebecca added, “So you're the skeptic, you don't know if you want to do this or not.” Yes the woman was skeptical, but also really wanted to believe. Then Rebecca said gave her some more very accurate indisputable evidence about this woman’s dad and her health, which is explained in the podcast. The woman was amazed and said this was life changing. Rebecca also explains what it physically felt like to get this information.

How does a psychic medium hear or see spirits?

They then take another listener’s question: “How do you hear or see spirit on command?”
Rebecca explains that it isn’t exactly on command, she explains it is synchronicity with the purpose. Instead of bringing in a loved one on command, because it is time for a reading, she allow spirit to connect with her at that synchronistic moment.

What would Rebecca as a psychic medium say to a skeptic to convince them she was genuine?

Liz asks Rebecca what story does she have that she would share if she met an incredibly skeptical person like Liz was at first or anyone else who's just like I absolutely don't think this is true. They weren't being rude, but were like Liz who had a loss and can't believe that all this is true.

Rebecca says she would ask them, “Hasn't anything ever happened in your world that was unexplainable to you? Does anything stick with you that you just can't put your finger on? Like, you're not sure, but maybe? And usually people say yes, like, oh, well, you know, one time that happened, or one time this happened, and I'd say, okay, it happens for me 10 to 12 to 15 times a day, maybe 15 to 20 to 30 times with every reading.” Then Rebecca shares an amazing story where she got really remarkable evidence for a person.

Is there a good test of mediumship abilities?

Then Liz and Rebecca take more questions from their audience and Liz’s friend Darren, who is also a skeptical afterlife researcher asks Rebecca, “What's your opinion on the various tests that are set up to prove or debunk? You know, there's different kinds such as the Randi challenge, and there's some good ones too. but let's start with Randi and then maybe compare it with a good one too.”

Rebecca says that she would have done the Randi one. However, in all these experiments it’s still just another human being who only uses the 2% capacity of their brain (like all of us) making the judgement. Even with the Forever Family Foundation testing, even though it is scientifically based, and it is one of the most fantastic and intricate testing systems that she’s seen, it's still based on personal experience and opinion. So in that sense, all testing is bullshit.

Liz states that she is going to have to disagree with Rebecca on this one and why would she think that?

Rebecca explains that she could die, and all of this could be absolutely nothing. This could all be a figment of her imagination, and any medium who says otherwise is, is kidding themselves. Rebecca continues, “I mean, I hope I'm not schizophrenic. I'd had enough experiences to know that this is real. I'm not trying to doubt it myself. I just don't believe that there is a test outside of a human opinion or assessment that can be measured. I mean, what are you really measuring, you can measure how many ounces are in this glass, you can measure how long this wave this is, you can measure how much more can get through this. You can measure how much air can go through a mask. You can measure how much blood is in my body. But you cannot measure how much love comes from heaven. You can't measure how much how much information gets missed when you try to test. Trying to fit into a parameter. I read somebody who wants textbook, perfect name, dates, love everything.” She then explains how skeptical this person was, even after she gave him an amazing reading. But then his dad who was passed away, gave her one more thing to go do, and that convinced this skeptical man.

Liz explains how if that had been a test, this would be scorable and evidential in a testing environment. Rebecca and Liz both debate the validity of testing. Rebecca explains that readings are really about live, but Liz disagrees. They are about giving facts that can’t be known by normal means. Liz would not be impressed if a medium told her her dad loved her.

Liz’s friend Darren of Seeking i then comments with a quote that Liz thinks explains perfectly the importance of testing psychic mediums: “"It's a matter of statistical significance if facts match people's readings at a rate statistically significantly against chance. You have an effect in reality suggesting it's beyond imagination."

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